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Lindsay Hubbard is opening up about the big fight she and Carl Radke had before he called off their November wedding in August.
While appearing on Nick Viallās podcast on Wednesday, the Summer House cast member, 37, looked back on the 72 hours that led up to their split, confirmed where she stands with Carl, 38, today, and shared the good parts of their former relationship as she admitted he wanted to continue coupleās counseling even after their breakup.
According to Lindsay, she and Carl were āextremely trauma-bondedā due to the things they went through during their years-long relationship.
āHis brother unfortunately passed away and I was right there for him. I went through an accidental pregnancy and miscarriage. I have my own family traumas that Iāve been working on in therapy for years he has his own family traumas so I think we were just really bonded on so many different levels and we had a lot of similarities, like similar sense of humor and lifestyle,ā Lindsay explained on the November 8 episode of The Viall Files.
Lindsay went on to say that when Carl decided to get sober, she cheered him on along the way.
āI was his number one support, and even getting to his one year of sobriety it was like, you know, he was really struggling for the last couple of months and I was like, āOkay ā¦ Iām going to do this with you ā¦ I am going to commit to going sober with you through the holidays. Weāre going to do this together, you know, hand in hand, side by side,’ā she recalled.
After committing to being sober with Carl, Lindsay remained alcohol-free for five months.
āI felt good. I looked good. I was in the best shape of my life [and] my skin was better,ā she shared.
Lindsay then reflected on the day of her and Carlās breakup day and the days leading up to it.
āWe wrapped filming that Sunday at the house. He was kind of coming at me in a way that felt really icky. We then went to Surf Lodge with all of our cast and had a great time. I was still feeling really icky about the things that Carl [had] said to me earlier in the day ā¦ Weāre on our way home (from Surf Lodge) and Iām talking about I think itās good for us to reconnect and go somewhere just the two of us. We havenāt been on a date this summer. [Things started] escalating weirdly. Heās starting to throw all of these insults at meā¦ Heās just saying some mean sh*t that Iām not going to get into,ā Lindsay alleged. āWe [got] into an argument in the car and I just stayed silent till we got home.ā
Days later, on a Monday, Lindsay recalled Carl spending the day golfing. And when she arrived home from dinner with a friend, he was sleeping on the couch. The following day, they were both busy and away from home. Then, after attending a movie with Gabby Prescod, 32, Lindsay received a text from production on which Carl was ccāed that said theyād be filming on Wednesday.
āMy radars are going off. My red flags are waving ā¦ Iām just like somethingās up,ā Lindsay admitted. āThis is not right. Heās responding immediately. Heās moving coupleās therapy. Heās clearing his schedule ā¦ I had not even spoken to him since we got home on Sunday and itās Tuesday ā¦ Why would you agree to even film with your fiancĆ©e that you havenāt spoken to in the last two days?ā
Once Wednesday arrived, Lindsay said she woke up early to get started.
āIām like, āDo you know what they want to film with us about today?ā And he pops off on me,ā she shared. āLike, āIf you donāt change, I am this close to calling off the wedding.ā Next thing you know, they showed up that afternoon and I sat on the couch.ā
āThe words came out and when the words came out, I donāt think I reacted the way he wanted me to react and so as soon as he said, āYou donāt take me seriously,ā I looked at him and I realized, āOh he wants me to beg and plead and say no, no, no, please donāt do this, Iāll change, Iāll do whatever you need. Donāt call off the wedding,’ā Lindsay continued. āThatās what he wanted from me, but that is not me and that will never be me.ā
After Carl called off their wedding with cameras rolling, Lindsay called her father.
āI talked to my dad for 30 minutes in my room,ā she recalled. āI was like, āWell, he did it.ā Because like I said, my red flags and radars were going off. A womanās intuition is unlike no otherā¦ My dad was like, āDo you want me to call him?ā ā¦ My dad called him immediately,ā she shared. āAnd after my conversation with my dad, I left. I texted my girlfriend who lives a few blocks down from me, I was like, āAre you home? I need to get insideā ā¦ All my girlfriends just started meeting me at my friendās house. It was like, āWhat just happened?’ā
While Carl reached out to her post-split, Lindsay said she ignored his messages for the first two weeks because she was ādisgusted and appalled.ā
āAnything he was texting was simply to try to clear his public image,ā she stated. āIt was less about like, āAre you okay? Are you eating?ā I didnāt eat for a month like at all. I couldnāt keep anything in my body. I was crying in ways I didnāt know I had in me because I donāt typically cry. I was throwing up ā¦ I was sad. I was angry. I was going through all of these emotions ā¦ It was rough ā¦ He never called. He never tried to get in front of me.ā
Ultimately, Lindsay sat down with Carl before heading to the Bahamas for her bachelorette trip.
āHe just was not capable of taking accountability,ā she revealed. āHe was still trying to convince me that he didnāt set this whole thing up and Iām like, āI canāt sit here for this. Youāre wasting my time at this point.āā
Following their breakup, Lindsay said that while Carl wanted her to go to couples therapy afterward, she declined.
āI never went backā¦ He wanted me to and I was like, āHow did you cancel the coupleās therapy? Do this on camera and then beg me to go to coupleās therapy?ā He had spent like the last two weeks of summer telling me coupleās therapy wasnāt working,ā she noted. āAnd now youāre sitting here trying to get me back into couples therapy? Like, none of this makes sense.ā
As for where they stand with one another now, Lindsay revealed sheās keeping their communication at a minimum.
āI donāt know where heās at. I donāt know where he stays. Weāre at a point now where heāll just text me if he needs to come to the apartment and get stuff ā¦ And I just answer [very matter of fact],ā she explained.
Although Carl recently confirmed he has a new apartment, Lindsay said heās still paying for the $13,000-per-month home they once shared.
āHe pays rent. Heās on the contract,ā she revealed, noting that their lease ends in June.
Summer HouseĀ season eightĀ is expected to premiere on Bravo sometime later this year or in early 2024.