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Katie Ginella took aim at Jennifer Pedranti after she failed to have her back amid the lie detector test fiasco on The Real Housewives of Orange County on Thursday night.
After attempting to convince Jenn, 48, to speak up and confirm her story about Gretchen Rossi‘s alleged claims that she was roofied and hospitalized amid her “naked wasted” encounter with Tamra Judge, 57, Katie lashed out at her former friend, accusing her of lying and suggesting she wanted her to be berated by their castmates.
“You must be f*cking lying because I know what I heard at that restaurant, and that’s why in that moment, I pointed to Jenn, I was like, ‘Jenn, you know she said that.’ We had just talked a month before on the phone about it, with [Ryan Boyajian] and [Slade Smiley] on the phone. How do you not remember this?” Katie wondered on the August 28 episode of the RHOC: After Show.
“That’s the most disappointing part of this whole thing, is I don’t know why Jenn won’t just say, ‘I heard it too,’” she continued. “I cried for weeks about this. Why would you wanna see me get annihilated? Why wouldn’t you just say, ‘Hey Gretchen, I think you did slip up and say that?’”
Even Emily Simpson, 49, wondered why Jenn didn’t take more of a stand — in one way or another.
“Jenn is the one person that could clarify everything that was said and what happened, and you can’t get a clear answer from her, and that’s what’s frustrating for me … Jenn could be the truth in all of this,” she noted.
But according to Jenn, Gretchen “did not tell me that [she] went to the hospital.” Instead, she only told her that she was so sick that she felt like she could have. So, when Katie shared her story and prompted her to respond, Jenn felt as if she was being used.
“It kept feeling like I was this lifeline that kept getting thrown out. Like, ‘If I use Jenn, my story is valid,’” she explained. “I felt like you girls as a whole were starting to look at me like, ‘Well Katie said you were there,’ or ‘Katie said you heard it,’ or ‘Katie said,’ and that’s where I was like, ‘Come on Katie, start speaking for you … stick to what you think and feel and stop grouping me with your same thoughts and feelings.’”
As for Katie’s failure of the lie detector test, Jenn admitted to feeling “heartsick.”
“I was looking at Katie at the other couch, knowing this moment is horrible for her but yet, I [couldn’t] save [her] anymore,” she recalled.
Also on the RHOC: After Show, after Tamra suggested that the only way the real story would be revealed is if Jenn “turns on Gretchen,” Katie explained why Jenn didn’t speak up.
“I think when she saw I was getting in the mess, she didn’t want to get in the mess, and that’s why she’s like, ‘I didn’t hear it.’ Because she’s friends with both of us. Or she was friends with both of us,” she shared. “[But] we all heard it. It was me, [Matt Ginella], Ryan, Jenn, Gretchen, [and] Slade. We were all talking about how f*cked up it was.”
Katie then said that Matt no longer speaks to Slade as she detailed Slade’s efforts to keep her from repeating the supposed story.
“We were in New Orleans, and Slade called him, I don’t know how many times, over and over and over. I think Slade calling Matt 20 times in a row, frantic, texting him ‘911,’ why would he do this if I just made this up and lied about it? He wouldn’t,” she concluded.
Meanwhile, on her Instagram Story, Katie continued to address the matter, sharing a clip from the H3 Podcast in which it was noted that the man behind the lie detector test, John Grogan, had been “exposed” by YouTube user Ludwig.
In the video, Ludwig explained that he paid John $1,000 for a lie detector test before being told, “We’re not gonna be able to do a legitimate polygraph test.”
“A polygraph test is very slow, very boring. When you give an answer, I have to read the results for a little bit before giving a reply back. A lot of the time, it’s inconclusive. You won’t even have a true or false and it’s never an outright lie,” John supposedly continued. “There’s just some things that trend toward lies, and I can’t speak with such exact verbiage. I have to be a bit more vague.”
Ludwig went on to suggest that John’s test was for “entertainment purposes” as he claimed that he had been willing to be dishonest about his results.
“If there’s ever an answer you want, tap me on the foot … that’ll let me know that that should be a lie. You don’t tap me, it’ll be a truth,” John reportedly told him.
@h3_podcastLudwig finally exposed the lie YouTube detector guy♬ original sound – H3 Podcast
The Real Housewives of Orange County season 19 airs Thursdays at 8/7c on Bravo.
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